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Well, that depends a great deal on what you want to do with them.  There are several approaches, each with its strengths and weaknesses. Well, that depends a great deal on what you want to do with them. There are several approaches, each with its strengths and weaknesses.

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This approach handles any arbitrary set of options, because you're writing the parser yourself. For 90% of programs, this turns out to be the simplest and most direct approach, since very few scripts need complicated option processing.

Here's an example that will handle a combination of short (`-h`) and long (`--help`) options.

This approach handles any arbitrary set of options, because you're writing the parser yourself. For 90% of programs, this is the simplest approach (because you rarely need fancy stuff).

This example will handle a combination of short and long options. Notice how both "--file" and "--file=FILE" are handled.

{{{#!highlight bash
#!/bin/sh
# (POSIX shell syntax)

# Reset all variables that might be set
file=""
verbose=0

while :
do
    case $1 in
 -h | --help | -\?)
     # Call your Help() or usage() function here.
     exit 0 # This not an error, User asked help. Don't do "exit 1"
     ;;
 -f | --file)
     file=$2 # You might want to check if you really got FILE
     shift 2
     ;;
 --file=*)
     file=${1#*=} # Delete everything up till "="
     shift
         ;;
 -v | --verbose)
     # Each instance of -v adds 1 to verbosity
     verbose=$((verbose+1))
     shift
     ;;
 --) # End of all options
     shift
     break
     ;;
 -*)
     echo "WARN: Unknown option (ignored): $1" >&2
     shift
     ;;
 *) # no more options. Stop while loop
     break
     ;;
    esac
done

# Suppose some options are required. Check that we got them.

if [ ! "$file" ]; then
    echo "ERROR: option '--file FILE' not given. See --help" >&2
    exit 1
fi

# Rest of the program here.
# If there are input files (for example) that follow the options, they
# will remain in the "$@" positional parameters.
}}}

This parser does not handle separate options concatenated together (like `-xvf` being understood as `-x -v -f`). This could be added with effort, but this is left as an exercise for the reader.

Some Bash programmers like to write this at the beginning of their scripts to guard against unused variables:
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# Bash
while [[ $1 == -* ]]; do
    case "$1" in
      -h|--help|-\?) show_help; exit 0;;
      -v|--verbose) verbose=1; shift;;
      -f) if (($# > 1)); then
            output_file=$2; shift 2
          else
            echo "-f requires an argument" 1>&2
            exit 1
          fi ;;
      --) shift; break;;
      -*) echo "invalid option: $1" 1>&2; show_help; exit 1;;
    esac
done
}}}
Now all of the remaining arguments are the filenames which followed the optional switches. You can process those with `for i` or `"$@"`.

A POSIX version of that same code:
{{{
# POSIX
while true; do
    case "$1" in
      -h|--help|-\?) show_help; exit 0;;
      -v|--verbose) verbose=1; shift;;
      -f) if [ $# -gt 1 ]; then
            output_file=$2; shift 2
          else
            echo "-f requires an argument" 1>&2
            exit 1
          fi ;;
      --) shift; break;;
      -*) echo "invalid option: $1" 1>&2; show_help; exit 1;;
      *) break;;
    esac
done
}}}

Some Bash programmers write this at the beginning of their scripts:
{{{
    set -u
    # or, set -o nounset
}}}
This way Bash stops if it's forced to work with the value of an unset variable. If you use `set -o nounset`, the Bash version of the "manual loop" shown above may break, if there are no additional non-option arguments. It can be fixed thus:

{{{
# Bash (with set -u)
while [[ ${1+defined} && $1 == -* ]]; do
    case "$1" in
      -h|--help|-\?) show_help; exit 0;;
      -v|--verbose) verbose=1; shift;;
      -f) if (($# > 1)); then
            output_file=$2; shift 2
          else
            echo "-f requires an argument" 1>&2
            exit 1
          fi ;;
      --) shift; break;;
      -*) echo "invalid option: $1" 1>&2; show_help; exit 1;;
    esac
done
}}}

Of course, a simpler fix would be ''not to use'' `set -u` in the first place; or at least to use it only after the option processing is finished.

What these examples ''do not'' handle are:
 * You want things like `-xvf` to be handled as three separate flags (equivalent to `-x -v -f`).
 * You want to parse arguments out of `--file=bar`.

It's certainly possible to do those things by changing the code, but at least in the first case, there's another approach that handles that automatically.
    set -u # or, set -o nounset
}}}

The use of this breaks the loop above, as "$1" may not be set upon entering the loop. There are two solutions to this issue:

 1. Stop using `-u`
 1. Replace `case $1 in` with `case ${1+$1} in` (as well as bandaging all the other code that `set -u` breaks).
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'''Never use getopt(1).'''  `getopt` cannot handle empty arguments strings, or arguments with embedded whitespace.  Please forget that it ever existed.

The POSIX shell (and others) offer `getopts` which is safe to use instead.  Here is a simplistic `getopts` example:

{{{
# POSIX
'''Never use getopt(1).''' `getopt` cannot handle empty arguments strings, or arguments with embedded whitespace. Please forget that it ever existed.

The POSIX shell (and others) offer `getopts` which is safe to use instead. Here is a simplistic `getopts` example:

{{{#!highlight bash
#!/bin/sh

# A
POSIX variable
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# Initialize our own variables:
output_file=""
verbose=0
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  case "$opt" in
    h|\?) show_help; exit 0;;
    v) verbose=1;;
    f) output_file=$OPTARG;;
  esac
done
   case "$opt" in
 h|\?)
    
show_help
    
exit 0
  ;;
 
v)  verbose=1
  ;;
 
f)  output_file=$OPTARG
     
;;
   esac
done
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if [ "$1" = -- ]; then shift; fi
[ "$1" = "--" ] && shift
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# End of file
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Here is an example which claims to parse long options with `getopts`. The basic idea is quite simple: just put "-:" into the optstring. This trick requires a shell which permits the option-argument (i.e. the filename in "-f filename") to be concatenated to the option (as in "-ffilename"). The [[http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/getopts.html|POSIX standard]] says there must be a space between them; bash and dash permit the "-ffilename" variant, but one should not rely on this leniency if attempting to write a portable script.

 ''I do not quite understand the point, can you give an example? The example script below accepts --loglevel 5 and --loglevel=5. Support for the second form may be removed. Maybe the usage message is not quite correctly formatted? Anyway there is no concatenation necessary nor supported, neither does the script affect the treatment of short options in any way, does it?'' -- the author of the example

 ''Your trick works by telling getopts that the option "-" should be accepted, and requires an additional argument. This is what "-:" means. If it were "f:" then getopts would handle the options "-f filename" and it would put the filename into OPTARG. Since it's "-:" we would expect getopts to handle "-- filename" in the same way, except that "--" is special and overrides that check. But! You found a trick: getopts '''in bash and dash''' allows "-ffilename" the same as "-f filename" and puts the filename into OPTARG in the former case as well as the latter. And it also interprets "-:" in such a way that it permits "--filename" to be parsed as "option - and argument filename", and puts the filename into OPTARG. In your example, the filename (option-argument) is "loglevel".''

 ''The reason I am pointing this out is because relying on the shell to permit "-ffilename" or "--loglevel" in this way is non-portable. POSIX says that there should be a space between the -f and the filename. Your script violates that, and you just got lucky that bash and dash were kind enough to permit the violation and work around it. Without that violation, your trick cannot work at all. You are utterly relying on "--loglevel" to be permitted instead of "-- loglevel".'' -GreyCat
Here is an example which claims to parse long options with `getopts`. The basic idea is quite simple: just put "-:" into the optstring. This trick requires a shell which permits the option-argument (i.e. the filename in "-f filename") to be concatenated to the option (as in "-ffilename"). The [[http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/getopts.html|POSIX standard]] says there must be a space between them; bash and dash permit the "-ffilename" variant, but one should not rely on this leniency if attempting to write a portable script.
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while getopts "$optspec" optchar; do
  case "${optchar}" in
    -)
      case "${OPTARG}" in

while getopts "$optspec" optchar
do
    case "${optchar}" in
 -)
     case "${OPTARG}" in
       loglevel)
    eval val="\$${OPTIND}"; OPTIND=$(( $OPTIND + 1 ))
    echo "Parsing option: '--${OPTARG}', value: '${val}'" >&2
    ;;
       loglevel=*)
    val=${OPTARG#*=}
    opt=${OPTARG%=$val}
    echo "Parsing option: '--${opt}', value: '${val}'" >&2
    ;;
     esac
     ;;
 h)
     echo "usage: $0 [--loglevel[=]<value>]" >&2
     exit 2
     ;;
    esac
done

# End of file
}}}

In practice, this example is so obfuscated that it may be preferable to add concatenated option support (like `-vf filename`) to a manual parsing loop instead, if that was the only reason for using `getopts`.

Here's an improved and more generalized version of above attempt to add support for long options when using `getopts`:
{{{#!highlight bash
#!/bin/bash
# Uses bash extensions. Not portable as written.

declare -A longoptspec
longoptspec=( [loglevel]=1 ) #use associative array to declare how many arguments a long option expects, in this case we declare that loglevel expects/has one argument, long options that aren't listed in this way will have zero arguments by default
optspec=":h-:"
while getopts "$optspec" opt; do
while true; do
    case "${opt}" in
        -) #OPTARG is name-of-long-option or name-of-long-option=value
            if [[ "${OPTARG}" =~ .*=.* ]] #with this --key=value format only one argument is possible
            then
                opt=${OPTARG/=*/}
                OPTARG=${OPTARG#*=}
                ((OPTIND--))
            else #with this --key value1 value2 format multiple arguments are possible
                opt="$OPTARG"
                OPTARG=(${@:OPTIND:$((longoptspec[$opt]))})
            fi
            ((OPTIND+=longoptspec[$opt]))
            continue #now that opt/OPTARG are set we can process them as if getopts would've given us long options
            ;;
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          val="${!OPTIND}"; OPTIND=$(( $OPTIND + 1 ))
          echo "Parsing option: '--${OPTARG}', value: '${val}'" >&2;
          ;;
        loglevel=*)
          val=${OPTARG#*=}
          opt=${OPTARG%=$val}
          echo "Parsing option: '--${opt}', value: '${val}'" >&2
          ;;
      esac;;
    h)
      echo "usage: $0 [--loglevel[=]<value>]" >&2
      exit 2
      ;;
  esac
done
}}}
 ''Even if we ignore the portability issue, are you sure this is an ''improvement'' over the manual loop in the first example? The manual loop is much simpler. Also, why is it checking `OPTERR` which is something the programmer sets, not something set by `getopts`?'' - GreyCat

 ''Thre is nore than one way to do a thing :-) Since this is section is titled "getopts", I guess it fits here. Why not let people decide what suits their needs, without bias. The example works in the more stricly POSIX-compliant Debian Almquist shell (apart from the variable indirection ${!OPTIND}), so I guessed that portability would be ok. The OPTERR-conditional behavior was just non-essential sugar, I removed it for clarity of the example.'' -- the author of the example
          loglevel=$OPTARG
            ;;
 h|help)
     echo "usage: $0 [--loglevel[=]<value>]" >&2
     exit 2
     ;;
    esac
break; done
done

# End of file
}}}
With this version you can have long and short options side by side and you shouldn't need to modify the code from line 10 to 22. This solution can also handle multiple arguments for long options, just use ${OPTARG} or ${OPTARG[0]} for the first argument, ${OPTARG[1]} for the second argument, ${OPTARG[2]} for the third argument and so on.
It has the same disadvantage of its predecessor in not being portable and specific to bash.
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{{{
# Bash
HaveOpt() {
  local needle=$1
  shift
  while [[ $1 == -* ]]; do
    case "$1" in
      --) return 1;; # by convention, -- is end of options
      $needle) return 0;;
    esac
{{{#!highlight bash
#!/bin/bash

HaveOpt ()
{
    local needle=$1
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  done
  return 1

    while [[ $1 == -* ]]
    do
 # By convention, "--" means end of options.
 case "$1" in
     --) return 1 ;;
     $needle) return 0 ;;
 esac

 shift
    done

    return 1
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if HaveOpt --quick "$@"; then echo "Option quick is set"; fi
HaveOpt --quick "$@" && echo "Option quick is set"

# End of
file
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It also spreads the options throughout the program.  The literal option `--quick` may appear a hundred lines down inside the main body of the program, nowhere near any other option name.  This is a nightmare for maintenance. It also spreads the options throughout the program. The literal option `--quick` may appear a hundred lines down inside the main body of the program, nowhere near any other option name. This is a nightmare for maintenance.
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 wooledg@wooledg:~/process-getopt-1.6$ set -- one 'rm -rf /' 'foo;bar' "'"
 wooledg@wooledg:~/process-getopt-1.6$ call_getopt "$@"
 ~/process-getopt-1.6$ set -- one 'rm -rf /' 'foo;bar' "'"
 ~/process-getopt-1.6$ call_getopt "$@"
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 }}}
 . ''It appears to be intelligent enough to handle null options, whitespace-containing options, and single-quote-containing options in a manner that makes the [[BashFAQ/048|eval]] not blow up in your face. But this is not an endorsement of the process-getopt software overall; I don't know it well enough. -GreyCat

It's written and tested on Linux where getopt(1) supports long options. For portability, it tests the local getopt(1) at runtime and if it finds an non-GNU one (ie one that does not return 4 for {{{getopt --test}}}) it only processes short options. It does not use the bash builtin getopts(1) command. -[[http://bhepple.freeshell.org/oddmuse/wiki.cgi/process-getopt|bhepple]]
}}}
 . ''It appears to be intelligent enough to handle null options, whitespace-containing options, and single-quote-containing options in a manner that makes the [[BashFAQ/048|eval]] not blow up in your face. But this is not an endorsement of the process-getopt software overall; I don't know it well enough. -GreyCat ''

''It's written and tested on Linux where getopt(1) supports long options. For portability, it tests the local getopt(1) at runtime and if it finds an non-GNU one (ie one that does not return 4 for {{{getopt --test}}}) it only processes short options. It does not use the bash builtin getopts(1) command. -[[http://bhepple.freeshell.org/oddmuse/wiki.cgi/process-getopt|bhepple]] ''
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CategoryShell '' CategoryShell ''

How can I handle command-line arguments (options) to my script easily?

Well, that depends a great deal on what you want to do with them. There are several approaches, each with its strengths and weaknesses.

Manual loop

This approach handles any arbitrary set of options, because you're writing the parser yourself. For 90% of programs, this is the simplest approach (because you rarely need fancy stuff).

This example will handle a combination of short and long options. Notice how both "--file" and "--file=FILE" are handled.

   1 #!/bin/sh
   2 # (POSIX shell syntax)
   3 
   4 # Reset all variables that might be set
   5 file=""
   6 verbose=0
   7 
   8 while :
   9 do
  10     case $1 in
  11         -h | --help | -\?)
  12             #  Call your Help() or usage() function here.
  13             exit 0      # This not an error, User asked help. Don't do "exit 1"
  14             ;;
  15         -f | --file)
  16             file=$2     # You might want to check if you really got FILE
  17             shift 2
  18             ;;
  19         --file=*)
  20             file=${1#*=}        # Delete everything up till "="
  21             shift
  22             ;;
  23         -v | --verbose)
  24             # Each instance of -v adds 1 to verbosity
  25             verbose=$((verbose+1))
  26             shift
  27             ;;
  28         --) # End of all options
  29             shift
  30             break
  31             ;;
  32         -*)
  33             echo "WARN: Unknown option (ignored): $1" >&2
  34             shift
  35             ;;
  36         *)  # no more options. Stop while loop
  37             break
  38             ;;
  39     esac
  40 done
  41 
  42 # Suppose some options are required. Check that we got them.
  43 
  44 if [ ! "$file" ]; then
  45     echo "ERROR: option '--file FILE' not given. See --help" >&2
  46     exit 1
  47 fi
  48 
  49 # Rest of the program here.
  50 # If there are input files (for example) that follow the options, they
  51 # will remain in the "$@" positional parameters.

This parser does not handle separate options concatenated together (like -xvf being understood as -x -v -f). This could be added with effort, but this is left as an exercise for the reader.

Some Bash programmers like to write this at the beginning of their scripts to guard against unused variables:

    set -u     # or, set -o nounset

The use of this breaks the loop above, as "$1" may not be set upon entering the loop. There are two solutions to this issue:

  1. Stop using -u

  2. Replace case $1 in with case ${1+$1} in (as well as bandaging all the other code that set -u breaks).

getopts

Never use getopt(1). getopt cannot handle empty arguments strings, or arguments with embedded whitespace. Please forget that it ever existed.

The POSIX shell (and others) offer getopts which is safe to use instead. Here is a simplistic getopts example:

   1 #!/bin/sh
   2 
   3 # A POSIX variable
   4 OPTIND=1         # Reset in case getopts has been used previously in the shell.
   5 
   6 # Initialize our own variables:
   7 output_file=""
   8 verbose=0
   9 
  10 while getopts "h?vf:" opt; do
  11     case "$opt" in
  12         h|\?)
  13             show_help
  14             exit 0
  15             ;;
  16         v)  verbose=1
  17             ;;
  18         f)  output_file=$OPTARG
  19             ;;
  20     esac
  21 done
  22 
  23 shift $((OPTIND-1))
  24 
  25 [ "$1" = "--" ] && shift
  26 
  27 echo "verbose=$verbose, output_file='$output_file', Leftovers: $@"
  28 
  29 # End of file

The disadvantage of getopts is that it can only handle short options (-h) without trickery. It handles -vf filename in the expected Unix way, automatically. getopts is a good candidate because it is portable and e.g. also works in dash.

There is a getopts tutorial which explains what all of the syntax and variables mean. In bash, there is also help getopts, which might be informative.

There is also still the disadvantage that options are coded in at least 2, probably 3 places - in the call to getopts, in the case statement that processes them and presumably in the help message that you are going to get around to writing one of these days. This is a classic opportunity for errors to creep in as the code is written and maintained - often not discovered till much, much later. This can be avoided by using callback functions, but this approach kind of defeats the purpose of using getopts at all.

Here is an example which claims to parse long options with getopts. The basic idea is quite simple: just put "-:" into the optstring. This trick requires a shell which permits the option-argument (i.e. the filename in "-f filename") to be concatenated to the option (as in "-ffilename"). The POSIX standard says there must be a space between them; bash and dash permit the "-ffilename" variant, but one should not rely on this leniency if attempting to write a portable script.

   1 #!/bin/bash
   2 # Uses bash extensions.  Not portable as written.
   3 
   4 optspec=":h-:"
   5 
   6 while getopts "$optspec" optchar
   7 do
   8     case "${optchar}" in
   9         -)
  10             case "${OPTARG}" in
  11               loglevel)
  12                   eval val="\$${OPTIND}"; OPTIND=$(( $OPTIND + 1 ))
  13                   echo "Parsing option: '--${OPTARG}', value: '${val}'" >&2
  14                   ;;
  15               loglevel=*)
  16                   val=${OPTARG#*=}
  17                   opt=${OPTARG%=$val}
  18                   echo "Parsing option: '--${opt}', value: '${val}'" >&2
  19                   ;;
  20             esac
  21             ;;
  22         h)
  23             echo "usage: $0 [--loglevel[=]<value>]" >&2
  24             exit 2
  25             ;;
  26     esac
  27 done
  28 
  29 # End of file

In practice, this example is so obfuscated that it may be preferable to add concatenated option support (like -vf filename) to a manual parsing loop instead, if that was the only reason for using getopts.

Here's an improved and more generalized version of above attempt to add support for long options when using getopts:

   1 #!/bin/bash
   2 # Uses bash extensions.  Not portable as written.
   3 
   4 declare -A longoptspec
   5 longoptspec=( [loglevel]=1 ) #use associative array to declare how many arguments a long option expects, in this case we declare that loglevel expects/has one argument, long options that aren't listed in this way will have zero arguments by default
   6 optspec=":h-:"
   7 while getopts "$optspec" opt; do
   8 while true; do
   9     case "${opt}" in
  10         -) #OPTARG is name-of-long-option or name-of-long-option=value
  11             if [[ "${OPTARG}" =~ .*=.* ]] #with this --key=value format only one argument is possible
  12             then
  13                 opt=${OPTARG/=*/}
  14                 OPTARG=${OPTARG#*=}
  15                 ((OPTIND--))
  16             else #with this --key value1 value2 format multiple arguments are possible
  17                 opt="$OPTARG"
  18                 OPTARG=(${@:OPTIND:$((longoptspec[$opt]))})
  19             fi
  20             ((OPTIND+=longoptspec[$opt]))
  21             continue #now that opt/OPTARG are set we can process them as if getopts would've given us long options
  22             ;;
  23         loglevel)
  24           loglevel=$OPTARG
  25             ;;
  26         h|help)
  27             echo "usage: $0 [--loglevel[=]<value>]" >&2
  28             exit 2
  29             ;;
  30     esac
  31 break; done
  32 done
  33 
  34 # End of file

With this version you can have long and short options side by side and you shouldn't need to modify the code from line 10 to 22. This solution can also handle multiple arguments for long options, just use ${OPTARG} or ${OPTARG[0]} for the first argument, ${OPTARG[1]} for the second argument, ${OPTARG[2]} for the third argument and so on. It has the same disadvantage of its predecessor in not being portable and specific to bash.

Silly repeated brute-force scanning

Another approach is to check options with if statements "on demand". A function like this one may be useful:

   1 #!/bin/bash
   2 
   3 HaveOpt ()
   4 {
   5     local needle=$1
   6     shift
   7 
   8     while [[ $1 == -* ]]
   9     do
  10         # By convention, "--" means end of options.
  11         case "$1" in
  12             --)      return 1 ;;
  13             $needle) return 0 ;;
  14         esac
  15 
  16         shift
  17     done
  18 
  19     return 1
  20 }
  21 
  22 HaveOpt --quick "$@" && echo "Option quick is set"
  23 
  24 # End of file

and it will work if script is run as:

  • YES: ./script --quick
  • YES: ./script -other --quick

but will stop on first argument with no "-" in front (or on --):

  • NO: ./script -bar foo --quick
  • NO: ./script -bar -- --quick

Of course, this approach (iterating over the argument list every time you want to check for one) is far less efficient than just iterating once and setting flag variables.

It also spreads the options throughout the program. The literal option --quick may appear a hundred lines down inside the main body of the program, nowhere near any other option name. This is a nightmare for maintenance.

Complex nonstandard add-on utilities

bhepple suggests the use of process-getopt (GPL licensed) and offers this example code:

PROG=$(basename $0)
VERSION='1.2'
USAGE="A tiny example using process-getopt(1)"

# call process-getopt functions to define some options:
source process-getopt

SLOT=""
SLOT_func()   { [ "${1:-""}" ] && SLOT="yes"; }      # callback for SLOT option
add_opt SLOT "boolean option" s "" slot

TOKEN=""
TOKEN_func()  { [ "${1:-""}" ] && TOKEN="$2"; }      # callback for TOKEN option
add_opt TOKEN "this option takes a value" t n token number

add_std_opts     # define the standard options --help etc:

TEMP=$(call_getopt "$@") || exit 1
eval set -- "$TEMP" # just as with getopt(1)

# remove the options from the command line
process_opts "$@" || shift "$?"

echo "SLOT=$SLOT"
echo "TOKEN=$TOKEN"
echo "args=$@"

Here, all information about each option is defined in one place making for much easier authoring and maintenance. A lot of the dirty work is handled automatically and standards are obeyed as in getopt(1) - because it calls getopt for you.

  • Actually, what the author forgot to say was that it's actually using getopts semantics, rather than getopt. I ran this test:

     ~/process-getopt-1.6$ set -- one 'rm -rf /' 'foo;bar' "'"
     ~/process-getopt-1.6$ call_getopt "$@"
      -- 'rm -rf /' 'foo;bar' ''\'''
  • It appears to be intelligent enough to handle null options, whitespace-containing options, and single-quote-containing options in a manner that makes the eval not blow up in your face. But this is not an endorsement of the process-getopt software overall; I don't know it well enough. -GreyCat

It's written and tested on Linux where getopt(1) supports long options. For portability, it tests the local getopt(1) at runtime and if it finds an non-GNU one (ie one that does not return 4 for getopt --test) it only processes short options. It does not use the bash builtin getopts(1) command. -bhepple


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